Expert snipers chime in - I need sniping advice
On average I have 75-100 ping. Straight ahead and up and down shots are a joke to make.
Where and how do I lead to land shots on the player that is flying to the right side (the awkward angle to hit ) and where and how do I lead to land shots on the player that is flying to the left in that awkward angle? I spent hours yesterday attempting to hit these shots with no success. It might be my mouse and pad (garbage)... but I want to make sure.
I guess what I am looking for is this:
1. any expert sniping demos to watch?
2. besides zoom control, what other scripts or mods should i download to assist in sniping that I dont know about?
3. advice on making those awkward side angle shots?
4. how do you set your sensitivity?
5. any other advice?
expert snipers please chime in. I think I am close to hitting those side angle shots but im missing the connection.
Where and how do I lead to land shots on the player that is flying to the right side (the awkward angle to hit ) and where and how do I lead to land shots on the player that is flying to the left in that awkward angle? I spent hours yesterday attempting to hit these shots with no success. It might be my mouse and pad (garbage)... but I want to make sure.
I guess what I am looking for is this:
1. any expert sniping demos to watch?
2. besides zoom control, what other scripts or mods should i download to assist in sniping that I dont know about?
3. advice on making those awkward side angle shots?
4. how do you set your sensitivity?
5. any other advice?
expert snipers please chime in. I think I am close to hitting those side angle shots but im missing the connection.
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I tried all those fancy sniping scripts, and they just made it harder for me. I don't know about you.
When I'm making awkward angled shots, I just lead, shoot, and hope I hit. Adjusting your zoom for the appropriate distance helps, too.
To set your sensitivity, just go to settings, controls, and mouse configuration.
i dont have very many sniping hours logged which I am going to fix by sniping more. I was wondering more of the specifics of when the target is flying right - how far do I lead, do I put the xhair above them, straight out in front etc ?
sensitivity - i was wondering what sensitivity and I guess now mouse that you guys use to snipe with.
For leading, I don't think the sniper shot is hitscan, but it's obviously not anywhere near as slow as chaingun fodder or the discs. For all intents and purposes, it's near-instantaneous, so when leading you'll have to take into account where they are (leading just barely enough that your reticle keeps up); your ping time probably won't bring much into it, but might break leading if the target is really really out there.
I don't snipe often, even though my normal loadout is the scout sniper (I do it for the engy and the option to snipe). Typically I'm only sniping on Broadside/Blastside these days, taking pot shots from one front entrance to another.
nice reply.
for those that dont know : In first-person shooter games, a hitscan weapon is one that, when fired, instantly hits whatever the weapon is pointing at. This is in contrast to projectile weapons, which fire projectiles that take time to travel.
I was under the impression that laser rifle was hitscan. knowing that it is in fact NOT hitscan is a step in the right direction.
can you go into detail more about replacing textures for sniping? what you replaced it with, what it does, how it helps etc?
also, I would like some of the expert snipers out there to reply as well (you know who you are)
does anyone here use the reverse sniper script where you release mouse to fire?
to the o.p., i use a low sens mouse setting normally and in-game i have .09 setting. basically with 100 ping you want to aim a full player width or length ahead to hit when they are going sideways from you and when they are going up aim just above their head and when they are coming down aim just below their feet. try it out and let us know how it goes.
ok i thought it was hitscan too. can anyone else confirm?
I am purchasing an actual gaming mouse today or tomorrow also so this should be good...
Thanks for those tips. Any scripts or mods besides zoom control I should know about while sniping?
Thyth posted the code for the sniper rifle's range (1000m base, it won't look further without modding), he should know if it's hitscan or not.
Since it is an instant-hit weapon, ping matters a lot, but only in the sense that your ping is consistent on a day to day basis, or you can adjust fast. Ping/Personal reflex is how much you lead the target, it's "ok, I know by the time the order to fire registers, he'll be there"
While you're practicing, you may want to preference targets that are actually moving instead of pot-shotting heavies and stationary targets, but I think that's pretty obvious
Also: I use no scripts and no changes to sensitivity from the defaults
And while I'm not going to start a pissing war by saying it's an uber-expert video, after one of the TWL matches way back when, I did a good enough job (higher score then the HO's) that people asked to see my demo. It's still up on TWL if you want to look at that: http://www.teamwarfare.com/demos/viewDemo.asp?DemoID=18829 Urgh, just checking now it appears to jam pretty fast into the recording, I was able to figure out on the internets that there is a way to fix that, but I couldn't find what. Well. Either way it's out there in some form.
Side angle shots are done by either a ton of practice or pure luck. It's best to just position yourself so you don't have as many of those.
EDIT: A post in support forums says to patch T2 with this and then the demos will run better http://www.teamwarfare.com/files/dl/Tribes2/T2DemoPatch.zip
Even with perfect aim, there is a component of luck.
Thanks for the advice. I would like to talk to you on irc later about more advanced tactics if you wouldnt mind since im adjusting from an offensive to defensive mind set after years of offensive conditioning
what gaming mouse do you use?
Btw guys i haven't seen this demo in a while: I *think* the second match is the better one, I'll find out soon.
I use some kind of microsoft laser mouse. Optical ones did kinda get annoying after a while.
Also: random blurb: the Beach Blitz is not to observe for tactics, looking back I bungled so many things on that match. Although you can have fun watching Tarzul, the master shrike rammer :P Let's hope I was right about the second demo being the winner, I'll find out soon
don't aim for headshots
the best way to hit targets is to set yourself in a position where they're not moving perpendicular to your field of view, because that does require some luck
always move while you're sniping. Better snipers are extremely comfortable firing while strafing, and actually, strafing into your shot (as in, strafing left or right to hit a target rather than trying to move your mouse) is one of the ways you can more reliably hit targets
other than that, you can't really "teach" sniping. It's just a lot of muscle memory. I recommend just using it in every light loadout you have, and attempting to use it almost any chance you get. Use it in duels, at close range, whenever you see someone skiing away, etc.
I'm mixed on strafing, even from that reply when I wasn't at my best, you can see I did it or tried to do it a couple times, but I think really you get good with what comes natural to you first, then try to pickup better mechanics. Except for duels, learn to do the duel dance really well
Btw, on the demo, it's actually the third match there, there's a 5-8 minute interlude where everyone TK's each other, and then you guys are in for a pretty good treat. I looked it over and it's a really close match near the end, and I get some nice shots with the rifle, and even nicer lances to their bumbling heavy offense *grin*
sounds like great advice as well. My sens is currently at .4 or .04 (its pretty low) for all weapons. should I set it to where it only turns to .04 for sniper? (i think zoom control can do this)
I have always been aiming for headshots for maximum damage... why do you suggest against it? (im giong to assume lower chance of scoring a hit?)
ill practice the strafe shots... its funny because I keep going for the crazy side shots and missing going what the hell when all the good snipers are just strafing to soften up the angle
edit: I remember being a cg pro in t1 but im having a little bit of a carryover into t2.. could be that I am just rusty.
Projectile is right, don't aim for the head unless your target is standing still and is easily hit-able. Aiming for the head is like a gamble -- it's either all (you hit doing massive damage) or nothing (you don't hit at all).
I may have been using error in tactical judgement when trying to cg targets 300+m away
Yea, the chaingun is for really close unless the person is almost dead. Anyone worth their salt will be able to dodge chaingun fire pretty well at that distance.
Note entirely true on the staying still part. If the person is moving/flying in a relatively straight pattern (preferably going towards or away from you), scoring a headshot is quite possible. Even walking diagonally isn't too hard to headshot.
But yes, if the shot's even moderately difficult, aim for the body, dead center is pretty good since you have a small amount of room to miss.
There is a way to disable "Player Position Smoothing", correct? Would this create an advantage, and is it fair(not a cheat)?
in for response .
I have began my researches with spinfusior. The direction that disk is fired is the direction that your crosshair was when clicked a mouse (+ your momentum), the place where disk was fired is that place where you've been when you clicked a mouse. But time when a disk is fired is the time you've clicked, but delayed by your current ping.
So conclusion is:
Laser Rifle is not a hitscan weapon, it is like other projectile weapons but shoots a projectle with infinite speed - so when you want to hit anything you have just to know where will be the enemy 'your ping' ahead, but remember the beam is fired from position where you've been, not where you are now. So that makes sniping not easy job, luck is more useful here than estimating this things - but it is still possible to hit fast moving targets, even with large ping.
Shock Lance is based on the same rules i guess.
Making LR or SL a hitscan weapon it will unbalance other weapons, and make the gameplay using LR less, or even not "fluent" - matter of aiming will be easy like in counter strike. But now aiming is 'mystic', cause our conditions (ping) is changing all the time, so aiming is not based on mastering a mouse and behave like BOT, but still thinking and counting on luck - it is more human - that makes Tribes a specyfic game, in witch gaming of a pro players don't look like they're bots (like in CS) doing their alorithm, but they think. Of course hitscan making aimbots less effective than our brains are
Any anomalies in behavior can be traced to latency in the firing command, and the extrapolation/smoothing done on the client side position depictions. It's done as a raycast on the server side.
As for disabling it, yes... it's possible. The client game is responsible for providing smooth rendering coordinates based on the ghosted coordinates. The ghosted coordinates are still accessible within the game. You can either manipulate the network interpolation settings or access the ghost data directly. Accessing ghost data and depicting unsmoothed coordinates in a useful way is an exercise left to the reader.
For headshots, the enemy's velocity plus ping fluxuation makes it unreliable. Usually, the math just doesn't work out.
Strafe shots, shocklance-range shots, high-speed mid-air shots. If you can see them, you can hit them. That's the feeling you want when you whip out the rifle.
For practice, try Blast/Broadside:
Fire at a designated target every 5 seconds regardless of how stable your aim is or your position.
Repeat 1000x
???
Profit!